Thinking of Yoda or not as magical aliens, but as rubber puppets is, admittedly, not that hard if you’re an adult Star Wars fan. But if you’re a child, it’s a little bit more difficult.

the original puppeteer and voice behind Yoda, also created several Muppet characters along with Jim Henson. You don’t think of Oz’s Miss Piggy as a puppet, you think of her as a pig. And, it’s the same with Yoda and Baby Yoda: We think of them as whatever it is they are supposed to be, not as a kooky fake thing.

But, it turns out, that creating that illusion requires a very specific philosophy. And in a new interview celebrating the 40th anniversary of , George Lucas touched on

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